Posts by Sea Breeze

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Sea Breeze

@Boogerman

Here's a few that come to mind:

Matthew 25:46

And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Luke 12:5

But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him!

Mark 9:43

And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire.

Revelation 20:12

And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.

Luke 16:23

And in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.

Revelation 21:8

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

Jude 1:7

Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

Proverbs 15:24

The path of life leads upward for the prudent, that he may turn away from Sheol beneath.

Mark 9:47

And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell,

1 Samuel 28: 15

15 Now Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?”

And Saul answered, “I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do.”

16 Then Samuel said: “So why do you ask me, seeing the Lord has departed from you and has become your enemy? 17And the Lord has done for Himself as He spoke by me. For the Lord has torn the kingdom out of your hand and given it to your neighbor, David.

2 Cor. 5: 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

[Edited to add] Acts 2

Acts 2 also comes to mind:

"Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses."

It was necessary for God to abandon Jesus for a time when "he became sin for us"; for God has no fellowship with sin.

Yet, the Father did not leave his soul in hell, but rejoined it with his body one very famous Sunday morning.

And the world has never been the same since.

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Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

by EdenOne in

mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

Sea Breeze

So to worship the God of the Bible you must be willing to kill people.

Shouldn't evil be confronted? Fathers protecting their families, soldiers, police kill evil people all the time. Nothing new here.

Any judicial system that claims to bring peace by punishing the guilty is __________.

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What Will JW's Do If They Find Themselves Still Conscious after Death?

by Sea Breeze in

we all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, jw's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease.

my question is this: what will be the likely reaction of jw's if they find themselves conscious after death?.

Sea Breeze

We all know that despite many scriptures to the contrary, JW's believe that when they die, their consciousness will cease. My question is this: What will be the likely reaction of JW's if they find themselves conscious after death?

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COVID 19 - DISSOCIATION LETTER

by gavindlt in

dear friends,.

i think you all know me as a person who has always strived, despite my imperfections to only ever wanting to be and remain in the “truth”.

it is in fact what i so desperately want for my son ashton and my baby girl honey bee, to be lovers of truth and grow up to be a loyal servants of jehovah god and his son, jesus christ.

Sea Breeze

My understanding is that the elders are trained to only skim the letter and find the part where it is stated that they no longer want to be a JW.

That's why I never wrote a letter to the elders. I wrote one to my mom and dad instead. I think it made some points with my mom.

Later, when I gave my personal testimony at my church, I had it video taped. I mailed a DVD to mom and dad.

My dad wrote back that he took the dvd to the back yard and chopped it up with an ax.... true story. At least they can't accuse me of being "weak"; which is how most members who leave are described.

It was important to me to defeat the WT on their own terms, theologically.

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Mass Shooting at Kingdom Hall in Hamburg, Germany

by EdenOne in

mass shooting at a kingdom hall in hamburg, germany this evening.

at least 6 or 7 killed, dozens injured.

single shooter on the run, police doesn't rule out more shooters.

Sea Breeze

Churches are conducting an ecomenic service on Sun 5.p.m. at St. Petri Church in Hamburg.

Might be a good opportunity for xjw's to attend and explain how it is impossible to leave the JW's without getting shunned and losing family and friends.

Most people are only vaguely aware of the extent of the WT shunning policy.

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Scriptures That Bothered You as a JW Kid.

by Sea Breeze in

my big one was: .

rev.

20: 5 "but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

Sea Breeze

Terrible thing to go through wozza.

Galatians 3: 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Oooops, guess we weren't supposed to pick up on this one either.

The another one I remember bothering me as a kid was Samuel's spirit being brought back. That totally contradicted the WT description of death.

1 Sam. 15 - Then said the woman, Whom shall I bring up unto thee? And he said, Bring me up Samuel. 12And when the woman saw Samuel, she cried with a loud voice: and the woman spake to Saul, saying, Why hast thou deceived me? for thou art Saul.
13And the king said unto her, Be not afraid: for what sawest thou? And the woman said unto Saul, I saw gods ascending out of the earth. 14And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

15And Samuel said to Saul, Why hast thou disquieted me, to bring me up? And Saul answered, I am sore distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God is departed from me, and answereth me no more, neither by prophets, nor by dreams: therefore I have called thee...

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Scriptures That Bothered You as a JW Kid.

by Sea Breeze in

my big one was: .

rev.

20: 5 "but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

Sea Breeze

Hi Konagirl,

Here's a good discussion centered on the leaders the apostles trained and what they predominately thought about a literal thousand reign: https://colemanford.wordpress.com/2011/07/30/the-millenium-what-the-early-church-believed-part-1-of-4/

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Christ's Brothers

by enoughisenough in

cooperate with christ’s representatives.

shortly before his death, jesus mentioned another way in which we can follow his leadership.

he said: “he that receives anyone i send receives me also.” (john 13:20) in fact, jesus spoke of his anointed representatives as his “brothers.” (matt.

Sea Breeze

They can keep saying let Bible should interprete itself but we know they don't follow that mantra

You are correct. Here are some of their tricks:

1. They take a verse like Romans 6: 7 out of context and use it to deny the purpose of Jesus sacrifice.

2. They go back to the Old Testament and find a scripture that suits their purposes, then use it to override an established NT doctrine.

3. When they run accross a NT scripture that proves their new doctine to be wrong, they give it a symbolic spin and say it's not meant to be understood literally.

I believe that WT literature is specifically designed to innoculate people against receiving the 'simplicity of Christ".

2 Cor. 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

I was pretty much an atheist for around 8 years after leaving. As I began to understand the depth of various deceptions, I got to wondering why would anyone put forth so much complicated effort to obscure the biblical narrative, unless there was something to it.

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Scriptures That Bothered You as a JW Kid.

by Sea Breeze in

my big one was: .

rev.

20: 5 "but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

Sea Breeze

Jesus created Michael who later became Jesus- am I wrong in that answer- according to org, yes- according to logic, no!

Yes, you got it right. Completely illogical. Here is that Hebrews 1 verse in context. My comments are in bold:

4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are My Son,

Today I have begotten You”?

(Jesus was begotten because he has the same essence as Jehovah. Conversely, angels were created, not begotten)

And again:

“I will be to Him a Father,

And He shall be to Me a Son”?

6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”

(Angels are commanded to woship Jesus because he has the same essence as his father. As a side note, he has the same essence as his mother too, making him related to us as a "kinsman redeemer".

7 And of the angels He says:

“Who makes His angels spirits

And His ministers a flame of fire.”

8 But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;

Jehovah calls Jesus God because... again he has the same essence as his father as an "only begotten son".

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Scriptures That Bothered You as a JW Kid.

by Sea Breeze in

my big one was: .

rev.

20: 5 "but the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

Sea Breeze

Rattigan,

yes, that is the old “I don’t like that scripture so make it symbolic” trick.